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Zygon Design by Kaduflyer Zygon Design by Kaduflyer
This was my first opportunity to redesign a classic Dr Who creature and what a great one to start with!! 
The original Zygons only appeared in one story way back in the 1970's but are none the less much loved by the DW fans so re-imagining them (like all the classic characters) carried a certain weight of responsibility. It made my job easier in that they were a fantastic design from the start and none of us wanted to change them too much. All I really did was bring them into the real world by giving them a more realistic and more muscular anatomy and I'm proud of the fact that my first attempt at them met with universal approval from the whole Dr Who production team.
Teaching commitments meant that I was not able to sculpt these bad boys but as usual the whole team at Millennium FX did a superb job and transferred my designs almost detail for detail into the wonderful suits seen in the 50th Anniversary episode.
I'm hoping they will make another appearance in the upcoming season.
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MelicoreStudios Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014
What type of program do you normally use for the 3-d art?  What program(s) do you recommend?
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I only use Z-Brush…and only that to a very limited degree. I'm by no means a '3D artist' and not really the best person to ask about other 3D software. From what I can gather by looking at other's work many use Z-Brush to build characters/creatures…whatever…and then use other programmes to light and render them. I think your choice of what to use depends on what you are trying to achieve with your work. Whilst I greatly admire (and at times envy) the skill so many 3D artists demonstrate I'm not a great fan of the 'look' of 3D images…they don't excite my artistic taste buds!

I use Z-Brush because as a sculptor I can think and design better in 3 dimensions (and I'm faster) than I can in 2. So I use Z-Brush for my initial 'sketch' and then finish it off in PhotoShop as a 2D illustration/design.

I think if you want a highly polished 3D look you need to look to the high end of what's available…what the pros use…but I think you'll find those programmes very expensive. Z-Brush is a good programme to start off with as it's fairly cheap and pretty easy to get started with (if I…a complete computer numpty….can use it then anyone can!). Once you've got the hang of it you can always experiment with other programmes to get the look you want from your art. There's a zillion tutorials on YouTube, forums and help groups out there…give it a bash…it's fun!  
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MelicoreStudios Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2014
Thank you for the information/feedback!  I am trying to get into a few courses to understand 3D rendering a lot more.  I want to one day 3D print parts for costumes/cosplay I do.  Would save me some time and heartache...plus I would like to be able to make my own pepakura templates instead of waiting for others.  Even when trying to do a commission, it seems I have to wait forever and the project is never done.  So figure it was better to learn and do for myself.
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I had to look up 'pepakura', I've never heard of that before…interesting. It looks like it might involve some kind of horrendous mathematics to work out how to make one yourself…I could be wrong, but just the thought of maths sends me into convulsions..:)

3D printing seems to be at that horrible pint of a technology thats 'almost' there….the possibilities seem endless but it's never quite as flawless or simple as the manufacturers lead us to believe. We've been looking at it as an alternative to taking life casts of actors and just as we see something that gets us excited we learn of the little glitches and problems that send us back to the tried and trusted techniques.
I hope you manage to figure out a way to use it for for needs. Like many cosplayers your work is exemplary (I love your cyber scout…..still THE definitive cyberman design for me!) and hopefully you'll be able to use this technology tom take your work to even higher levels.

Good luck.
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MelicoreStudios Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014
Pepakura can be scary at first.  I just think of it as origami meets jigsaw puzzle.  Once you have a 3D model on the computer, it is a matter of just unfolding it.  Unfortunately, if you don't semi-understand 3D programs the unfold is a foreign language.  I plan to enter classes next year if I don't find time to self teach myself for 3D modeling.

Coming from a professional I am deeply honored you like my cosplay! Once I build a little bigger portfolio, I hope to try and help out with local productions as a volunteer and maybe progress from there, even if baby steps.  Sometimes it is a challenge especially with items from shows overseas. We don't have the displays and conventions to allow us good reference pics for shows like Doctor Who.  I know the cybermats from Cybus era are killing a few of us trying to find the deminisions since toys are too small and look a little off. But we are trying!

Can't wait to see what new creatures you have in upcoming Doctor Who episodes, it is always fun to pick them out and see how your work ends up with a finished product.  

Thanks again for all your help and advice!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I wasn't involved in the cybermats, they being mostly mechanical and not area of expertise. They were pretty small though…waaay smaller than the originals…other than that it's not something I can help much with..sorry!

As for the new stuff..well we're in full swing right now on something pretty special….but you've got a long wait to see it or before I can say anything about it!
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XenoEngine Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Professional General Artist
Amazing! Cool update on a classic. 
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Professional Filmographer
They were always a great design, just very poorly executed in the past. I regret not being involved in the actual build of the things, but think Millennium did a fantastic job and I just hope that in the future they get an episode to themselves.
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Caberwood Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Yay for the Zygons! 

"Loch Ness,Harry!"
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Yeah…I love the Zygons too…shame their return to the show was so wasted in that awful anniversary episode!
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Pimander1446 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
Hello again, and happy new year, and valentines day, a bit late i know.
I finally catched up with the show here in my country! I avoided all kind of spoilers, thats why i was so Silent!  But finally, i can comment on this!
Sadly, i was unable to meet matt, though a friend of mine was lucky and could though... I guess it will be my big regret that i never could.

Zygon
Amazing as always! Looking at this makes me wonder if iŽll ever be able to control Zbrush as wished, those suckers look amazing! And the rough looking skin at the sides of the head. I never know what can be done with the normal brushes of Zbrush, and what really needs alphas and special designed brushes

The orange dribble was really disgusting! I wonder if it also tasted weird, i never understand exactly how those effects work. And if they need to do a scene again and again, how much orange dribble is actually used? Those kind of questions are maybe a bit weird, i always have to think way too much when i see costumes and special effects.

Oh, and cause i finally saw the whole seven season, the 50s special and christmas episode (im gonna miss matt way too much)  I was able to watch on youtube the specials and how everything was done.
And i spotted you on a video, from episode Hide. I had to go back and say : Hey! Its David

So i was really wondering, if you was going to be on next season, and i think i read on a comment, that you would be going to supervise now! that really nice!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Professional Filmographer
And a happy new (belated) year to you too! (and Valentines!)

Glad you enjoyed the last season…it had some great episodes, though personally I was a little disappointed in the 50th anniversary and Christmas specials and really hate that The Time Lords were saved by the Dr and not destroyed; it's taken the dark, sad heart from the character I feel and gives it a horrible Hollywood happy ever after ending (and would the Daleks be so stupid as to shoot their own ships when the planet vanished?…I think not!!). And then The Silence turn out to be 'genetically engineered confessors' (WHAT!!!!????)…so why did that act so creepy in previous episodes?…..ACK!….!!!!

The new season is shaping up very nicely though, with some cool creatures and great stories…I have very high hopes that this is going to be the best season yet, despite the sad loss of Matt (my favourite Dr ever!). I'm only supervising the creature build stuff. Which basically means I'm the artistic guide for Millennium FX. I'm actually building and designing much of what is made and over seeing and guiding the other artists involved. Obviously I can't give anything away but watch this space in a year or so for designs and behind the scenes pics.
I watched the 'Hide' behind the scenes video on YouTube…lol…it looks like they picked the only non rainy day to shoot that stuff….it was otherwise a very damp and cold shoot, with much standing around under umbrellas in the gloomy Welsh woods!

Like all my digital work the ZBrush Zygon designs were done very basically, using existing ZBrush brushes (I don't know how to make custom ones!). I kinda use ZBrush and PhotoShop exactly the same as I would traditional mediums (that's why I like em!) and don't go in for all that tricky digital button pushing and clever complicated stuff…I'm a sorta digital barbarian really!

Orange dribble…lol….all that kind of thing is always food based. Tinned fruit salad, all smooched up makes great vomit, honey or syrup coloured with food dye for blood and my secret recipe has chocolate biscuits, peanut butter and other stuff for hyper realistic, but totally edible poo! So for 'orange dribble' read orange juice and fruit! 
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Pimander1446 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Hahahah xD OH gosh. Looks like we both have same opinion about those last episodes. I prefered the silent as it was at beginning, that confessor story, somehow doesnt  fit that well in their character so suddenly.
What made them be so creepy at beginning then? A bit weird.

And i didnt like the Christmas episode, there were so many things that just didnt fit too much with the doctor, from my point of view... Dont know how to explain it, but i guess i had my expectations way too high there!
(And what he did to clara, breaking the promise twice, and leaving her alone again and again, while he stays in that town forever, somehow that didnt really make me feel very okey.)


And yes! XD The daleks shooting to eachother! Oh my. I was like : WHAT?! really?   makes me think of one of Genies (from disney, aladdin) lines : "Dont attempt to move, or we`ll be shooting ourselfs"
(Red Code Scene, 3rd movie)

From the Seven Season, my favorite episode were : The Snowman Christmas special, "Hide" and "Nightmare in silver"
And of course, every time Strax Appears! That guy is a lot of fun!


Oh! So matt was also your favorite! I really wonder, if he ever in the future, will make a cameo in the show again. That would be really sweet.
I see! I wish you a good season 8 with all that work youve got to do now supervising! This reminds me, ive been thinking of taking maybe a course about movie make up and design.  I got to say, talking with you so much about this all, helped me decide to give it a try, at least to learn a bit more about it!
Im maybe taking to many different courses, already voice acting, videogame design and animation... and now also Theater and movie make up (dont know its exact name in english, sorry).
Dunno if its going to be way too much, or if the experience could really be worth it in the future.

There were other videos, with everyone wearing umbrellas, for other behind the scenes! IT really rains a lot wherever you shoot! In my country... we wish it rained a little bit more. I guess im going to enjoy it when i go to UK to study in a year.

OH i see! I really need to keep touching the program then, and learn what those brushes can do! We now are using the Zbrush v6, guess its the newest version right now. A few more brushes were added there.
We ones learned how to do our own brushes and Alphas, but i already forgot about it!!  I use to be more traditional, than a digital expert. I usually end up collapsing and braking my computers and programs!
I guess i can also be called a digital barbarian after all!!  All those digital tricks, i never know how to work with all those options! Same with photoshop, of course! way too many tool, prefer working by hand with the most basic brushes and layers.


OH! So interesting! In halloween shops, there are blood bags and other effects, that really taste horrible, so i thought maybe it would be like that in the TV effects too. But looks like they at least get a nice taste everytime!
Hahaha XD The food sounds nice, the result doesnt so much, its pretty funny to imagine it.
And its really interesting!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I'm happy that chatting here with me has helped you decide on a future career. A few years ago everyone was talking doom and gloom about digital effects 'taking over' from traditional make up and puppet effects but the truth is there is more work around now than there was ten years ago and there seems to be no end in sight to the current boom in FX laden movies. So if ever there was a time to learn this stuff now is it!!
You seem to have many interests; FX, animation, acting etc all of which take time and dedication to master, so you're going to have a busy future! Work hard and chase those dreams…and above all else have fun doing so!!

If you need and practical advice or help please feel free to contact me and I'll try and do my best to help you.

:)
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Pimander1446 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014
I also talk with my mother about everything you tell me and "teach" me about your career and works. We are already looking for different places i could start learning. Sadly, the level is pretty low in my country. At least i hope to get the basics, for later keep on learning, hopefully outside, maybe UK if possible.
I hope to be able to start after summer, when im done with my Videogame and animation career here in spain.  IŽll take a whole year to finish my Voice Acting academy and try to start with make up and effects.

Yeah, i got many interests, and im not sure if thats very good. I got a lot to learn and not much time to do so. And im pretty slow at learning! Cause technology is my weak point, and its used for everything nowadays.
But thanks a lot! Ill try my best!

And thanks a lot for the offered help ^^ Ill keep it in mind! Its a big honor.

My mom even came with the idea, of asking to become an apprentice, but i already told her, thats not something you go asking like that around. And that i first need basics and learn on my own to be able to ask for something like that to anyone!   But it was funny hearing her say that. Made me smile.


Before i forget... may i ask you, how did you start 22 years ago, with your career? (or if you have it written somewhere, to read it) Cause id love to know, have a clue, how i should maybe start, or if there is a tip.
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Professional Filmographer
The closest thing we have to an apprenticeship is a trainee. Basically it's starting at the very bottom, cleaning up, making tea and assisting where needed. If you have any kind of ability you then work your way up into your chosen department; sculptor, mould maker, animatronics engineer etc etc. The snag is you HAVE to have some sort of ability even before you would be considered for a trainee position, no one's going to sit down and teach you how to sculpt for instance, we just don't have the time for that. You learn on the job only by watching others, assisting and practising in your own time. It sounds tough but then it's a tough industry to get into so this way ensures that those that get in REALLY have what it takes to survive: determination, perseverance and the ability to be self motivated and work hard.

I sort of stumbled into make up effects, it was never something I wanted to do or even considered doing when I was younger. I've always loved SF and fantasy and horror and originally wanted to be an illustrator. About in my mid twenties I tried my hand at sculpting and really took to it but had no idea how to earn a living as a sculptor. Then one day a friend of mine sent me some photos of some halloween masks he'd made. He's sent pictures of these to a company called Image Animation (the people behind the Hellraiser movies and many of the horror films in the 80's), he'd received a nice letter back complementing him on his work and he was very excited about it all. I looked at his work and thought (somewhat egotistically I guess) 'I can do better than that!' So I sculpted up some goofy looking monsters, photographed them and sent the pictures to the same company. I was invited up for an interview and offered a job. So I started out JUST being able to sculpt, draw and paint. I knew nothing of make up, or mould making or very much about make up effects at all really. All these other things I learnt by watching and assisting others…and working very, very hard!
I still chuckle to myself sometimes and wonder how the hell I needed up doing such a crazy job for a living…but I do live it and realise how lucky I am to do a job I still enjoy after so mangy years, getting up each morning to do! 
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CrazyFoxMoon Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope so too!!! It was so great to see them back again. And you did a great job on them.

And I am very excited for August to roll around for the new season.

Thanks for sharing your amazing work.
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I'm working on the new season right now…sculpting a new beastie and designing others….it's shaping up to be a great series with some very ambitious stories and creations that's gong to keep me in work into 2015 (which is always good!)
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CrazyFoxMoon Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And it will keep me entertained well into the next year or so, too, right? Can't wait!!!!!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2014  Professional Filmographer
:)
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CrazyFoxMoon Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
However, I haven't quite gotten to the point of making a countdown calendar....
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Haha!….my countdown calendar consists of ever decreasing deadlines (eeeek!)….just lost 3 days from my latest build time…gonna have to sculpt faster!!!!!
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CrazyFoxMoon Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Is it time to crack the whip over you to get you to work faster? Naaaah...
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Naaah…I can handle it….I started my career in low budget horror movies and am used to crazy deadlines and zero money…that's half the fun, necessity being the mother of invention and all that!
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Lordm0th Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional General Artist
So alive...Fantastic!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Thank you.
:)
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Psyartista9 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Student General Artist
Great redesign; the original Zygon design looks like it had more barnacle-like growths than suction cups. They look more - believable - now with more emotive features. Well played.
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I researched this quite extensively (the fans would crucify me if I messed up to bad) and the original extrusions were always supposed to be 'suckers'.  There have been a couple of 'complaints' that the original design had more suckers...but it's a small pint and I'm very happy with the overall response from people.
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MrNorth Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014
Nice to see you let Zygons be Zygons...........
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
We wouldn't want them any other way.
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AndyFairhurst Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
They looked brilliant in the episode. Awesome work mate
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
They did look good didn't they. I can't wait till they get their own episode.
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flynn1978 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014
Wowzers!  Impressive!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Thank you very much.
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Steelmantis Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
always reminded me of a walking french tickler
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Lol......that could be a new market for the BBC to look into: novelty Dr Who sex toys....Dalek vibrators for the lady's and Ood in a Tube for the guys (you'll have to have some knowledge of sex toys to get that one...lol)
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Steelmantis Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
lol, would be a marketing hit for sure 
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ArcaneVonOblivion Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Coolness!!!!!!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
:)
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MBrainspaz Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Awesome job! Even my overly critical little brother admitted they were scary. 
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
They were brilliantly played by the actors who milked them for all they were worth....I just wish they'd been given their own episode and not just a throw away spot in the 50th anniversary one.
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MBrainspaz Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I'm sure they'll get they're own again someday! And I'm looking forward to it. :) 
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MetalSnail Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very cool!!!
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Thanks
:)
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fresian-cat Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2013
Nice update. As a huge Zygon fan (look at the commissions I've had done on my page!) I was apprehensive about the redesign, but you did good! Thank you
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Those of us who work on the DW creatures take the fans opinions and expectations extremely seriously ( mostly because we are all fans ourselves). It's always very nerve wracking when we do a redesign waiting for the fans reaction (look at what happened with the awful new Daleks!!) so it's great to hear from people like yourself that we nailed it.

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fresian-cat Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014
Yup, you did. I would maybe have had them in a more translucent material, like the Gangers, but other than that loved 'em
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Kaduflyer Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Ding them in a translucent material would indeed be nice...unfortunately the design doesn't lend itself to being made in silicone (the material used for the Gangers) as silicone is extremely heavy and the suits very thick. There's also an expense factor to consider...we are dealing with TV budgets which almost never stretch to the extravagances of the movies.
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fresian-cat Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014
That's what I figured. It was only a 'wish list' thing, it doesn't take anything away from the excellent job you did.
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Moreuse Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
saw these fellows in the special when i was at my ex's place, awesome job on them dude, really believable anatomy.
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